Paul Van Zyl is a former anti-aparthied activist and the Executive Secretary of the Truth and Reconciliation commission. He is cofounder and the Executive Vice-President of the International Center for Transitional Justice. His talk here is about America and our use of torture – a practice repeatedly condoned by our former Vice President. Van Zyl lives in the U.S. now with his wife and child. Calling us all out, he asks, when you allow torture where does the line get drawn? He speaks of this as a matter of self interest, “We need repudiation of torture not just because it’s wrong, but because once you’ve opened the Pandora’s box, the violence and degradation are seldom confined to your enemies alone.” Americans can not be ambivalent about torture. We need our own Truth and Reconciliation commission.